In this episode of The New Mexico Suncast, host Jim Williams sits down with Jeff Apodaca and Lawrence Chavez—two outspoken advocates for building New Mexico’s economy from within. They break down why New Mexico is one of the wealthiest states on paper but continues to live like a poor one. From the untapped potential of the State Investment Council’s $63 billion fund to why we keep losing homegrown tech to places like San Diego, this conversation hits hard on infrastructure, venture capital, and the urgent need for bold leadership. If you care about jobs, startups, or keeping our kids from leaving the state, this is the episode to hear.